Damn California!!!!!
 

A lot of you guys have helped me figure out my gun preps recently. I was advised to get a FAL or AK. However, I just found out that in California I can't have a real FAL or Real AK 47, unless they are modified ( California Legal). Seems to me, it's better just to get a SKS,Mosin Nagent, M14, or Garand. What do you guys think I should get given the draconian california laws. Especially people from California? What the hell? California sucks and I'n just figuring this out. I need a Battle rifle! Suggestions please!

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Everyone needs AT LEAST one good SKS. It's a great SHTF rifle for the money and much more economical to keep a good supply of ammo and stripper clips for than ammo and mags for anything else. I say buy two nice sks rifles, 4 cases of 7.62x39, 100 stripper clips, and a couple of the chinese sks stripper clip chest pouches and you're in pretty decent shape.

The total for all of that will be less than one M14 with no ammo or spare mags.

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Make it easy. Move out of commiefornia.

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You are looking a a military pattern .30 caliber rifle. The SKS idea is OK, it's a reliable shooter and ammo / web gear is reasonable. You can own a M1A here, the SOCOM is real handy, and have magazines ( normal ones, ie. 20 round capacity) sent by friends out of state. Relax, your system will come together.

Their are a lot of firearms training schools here. Tacfire in Ventura has a 3 day MIA class. Get some real training.

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Get the M1A!

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saiga is what you want. it comes in 7.62x39, .223 and .308. each for first two under $300, .308 under $400

Buy them all, collect all 3

http://calguns.net is where you need to go for proper california info


http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_option.htm

the fist one is 7.62x39 and .223. they used to have this type in .308 too

http://www.raacfirearms.com/images/p_saiga.jpg

the fist one is 7.62x39 and .223 and .308

http://www.raacfirearms.com/images/p_saiga_option.jpg

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Mini-14? Twenty round factory mags are now available to the general...oops you're in Kalifornia? NEVER MIND...

Get out now...I did 18 years ago and never looked back.

Oh yeah, +1 on Saigas...any or all.

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Didn't you know gun rights aren't even in the californian constitution.

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Get the M1A. Mini-14 is innaccurate. And for the laws just take it day by day. You never get used to it.

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sks, As long as it's over 50 years old (and not Chinese) it's on the C&R list. No waiting period on C&R rifles in Kalifornistan.

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I 2nd advising you to visit Calguns.
Decide what you need and want to do with your rifle and go from there.
I also recommend putting away enough mags and ammo and get some good training.

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got da terminator as a governor yet ya cant own guns that dont conform to TPTB so called laws.... thats f'in SICK!!!! :smokin:

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Yup, pretty sick. They turned him into a Kennedy :confused_ma:

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Boy I have alot of stuff to buy.......:banghead:


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well,

it looks like i'll save for the m1a. thanks you guys are great. in the short run though, i gotta get that sks and mosin nagant just because they're cheap and reliable.

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If the shit hits the fan, would you be worried about the regs...?

It has come down to prep for self-defense, that includes against domestic tyrants... Protect yourself!

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Yeah you are making the right decision. I am also saving for the M1A and have the M91 Mosin Nagant and am very happy with it. I usedto have the SKS but sold it as I got bored with it. Contrary to popular belief there is still a background check and wait for the SKS and the Mosin Nagant because even the laws on the books in CA are conveniently brushed ASIDE by.gov. Good luck finding an FFL in CA who will risk it.

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When I lived in California (occupied territory) I purchased several rifles with no wait. You still have to pay the $14 DROS fee. If it's on the BATF C&R list there is no wait. And yes, typical of California laws, this makes no sense.

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Yeah it used to be easier to follow the law in CA but every year it gets worse. I could not believe how much changed in the 15 months I was away.

I remember when SKS was considered illegal in CA and no FFL dealer would touch them. Then there was a letter put out by the DOJ saying they were once again ok to sell and even still some FFL dealers would not touch them anymore. CA sucks.

I bought one of those CA legal AR-15 lowers when shoelace something company started selling them and I could only find one dealer that would do the PPTransfer paperwork for it. Some now won't even carry them any more because the DOJ scared the hell out of them with the loose AW ban definition interpretations. DOJ letters were used by some that had them with the weapon at all times to keep the COPS from arresting them. CA sucks.

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Look through Shotgun News for manufacturers who offer special CA-legal versions of their rifles. Even if they don't advertise explicitly, they might be able to put something together if you ask (e.g., bolt the folding stock open or replace the pistol grip).

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to sum it up:

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If the original poster was still here I would have told him that you can build and Imbel, and pretty much anything else, but you must have it legally configured. Oh well....

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Not familiar with the CA laws. Is there an easy to understand summary somewhere? Is there a secondary market for used guns that are granfathered in before the ban took effect?

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Wow. Just read this: http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/CASL.pdf

"“ASSAULT WEAPONS”, .50 CALIBER BMG RIFLES
AND MAGAZINES
It is unlawful to offer for sale, give or lend any “assault
weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle. It is unlawful to possess
an “assault weapon” or a .50 caliber BMG rifle unless it
is properly registered with the state. The registration
period for “assault weapons” and .50 caliber BMG rifles
has ended. If an individual has an unregistered” assault
weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle after the registration
period has ended, they must relinquish the firearm to law
enforcement. Anyone with a registered “assault weapon”
or .50 caliber BMG rifle wishing to legally dispose of the
firearm: can sell it to a dealer with an “assault weapons”
permit (for such firearms) and .50 caliber BMG rifle permit
(for such rifles); or with both type of permits; relinquish it
to local law enforcement (after making an appointment);
remove the “assault weapon” or .50 BMG caliber rifle
from the state or destroy it. Any person inheriting a
registered “assault weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle has
90 days to render the weapon permanently inoperable,
sell to an approved firearms dealer, obtain a permit from
the Department of Justice to possess firearms, or move
the gun out of state. Pawning “assault weapons” and .50
caliber BMG rifles is not permitted.
California law defines “assault weapons” in three
ways:
• firearms listed on the original Roberti Roos assault
weapons law.
• any firearm that is in the AK and AR-15 - type
series.
• by the specific generic characteristics.
A further explanation of firearms considered
“assault weapons” can be found on the Department
of Justice website.
A person may lend a registered “assault weapon” or
a .50 caliber BMG caliber rifle to another person who is
18 years of age or over if the person to whom the “assault
weapon” is lent is not prohibited from possessing a firearm
and remains in the presence of the registered possessor,
and the “assault weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle is possessed at a licensed target range, or at the target range
of a public or private club organized for the purpose of
practicing shooting at targets, or at an exhibition, display
or education project sponsored by a law enforcement
agency or a nationally or state recognized firearms entity.
Persons moving into California must comply with the
provisions of the law before moving.
Unless otherwise specified, registered “assault
weapons” may only be possessed:
• at registrant’s residence, place of business, or other
property owned by such registrant, or on property
owned by another with permission.
• at certain recognized target ranges or shooting
clubs.
• at certain recognized exhibitions.
• while on publicly owned land upon which
possession and use of “assault weapons” is
specifically permitted by the managing agency.
• while transporting the assault weapon between
any of the places listed above, or to any licensed
gun dealer.
It is unlawful for any person who manufactures,
imports, or offers for sale, gives, or lends any ammunition
magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds (not
including .22 tube magazines). Exceptions include: a
loan of a lawfully possessed magazine to a person who is
not prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition,
if such loan occurs at a place where possession of the
magazine is not otherwise prohibited and the person who
lends the magazine remains in the accessible vicinity to the
person to whom the magazine is loaned; the importation
of a magazine by a person who lawfully possessed the
magazine in the state prior to January 1, 2000, lawfully
took it out of the state and is returning to the state; the
sale or purchase of a magazine to or by a person licensed
to sell firearms; and the lending or giving of a magazine to
a licensed dealer or gunsmith for repair and its return to
its owner."

So there is no more registration of assault weapons, and if you inherit one you have to make it inoperable of sell it to an approved dealer.

Wow, I just can't believe these laws. It makes me sick!

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More:

How is the 2000 assault weapons law (SB 23) affected by the Kasler v. Lockyer decision?
The 2000 assault weapons law (SB 23) identified assault weapons by specific characteristics. Those weapons so defined must have been lawfully possessed on or before December 31, 1999 and registered on or before December 31, 2000. Penal Code section 12276, subdivisions (e) and (f), reaffirmed by the Kasler v. Lockyer decision, make AK and AR-15 series weapons unlawful for sale after August 16, 2000, even if their assault weapon characteristics are removed. Persons owning these weapons on this date were required to register them with the DOJ on or before January 23, 2001.

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May assault weapons still be registered?
The assault weapon registration period has ended. The DOJ is no longer accepting assault weapon registration forms.


http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regagunfaqs.php#1

The title of this thread is very appropriate. I think I would have to move. I wonder what we will all do if the CA way of doing things becomes nationwide. I guess it's a good time to buy as many as you can since there has always been a grandfather clause (knock on wood).

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I'm in California, born and raised here. Never needed more than sticks and knives for protection, but I am sensing which way the wind is blowing and I want to acquire some firearms before they become impossible to acquire altogether.

I don't need to go getting on a list. At the gun show earlier this month I looked specifically for cash and carry curios. I guess that was a little naive. I found none.

I don't mind proving that I'm a responsible gun owner. But I do want to avoid being targeted because I purchased a 75 year old rifle.

Am I just being paranoid here? Given the option I wouldn't register my gun with any agency (where's the benefit, where's the need?) but I'm pretty sure I will have to hand over my name and address just to make a purchase. Is this accurate?

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Let me make this simple. When Kommifornia instigated it's ban, they banned the names on the lower receiver, and other dumb things. If you're in Cali, I'd recommend visiting www.calguns.net, you can learn all you need to know there....:wink:

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Most people have quotes from Jefferson, Orwell, or Andrew Jackson...

But Family Man has a quote from Silver Shield...

You Rock!

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Check into a Fixed-Mag FAL that holds 10-rounds........and buy dozens of stripper clips for easy loading from the top. :wink:

I know it's not ideal but it works..........here's a pic of a clip load - sorry, it's not a FAL but it works the same way.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...lipInstd2A.jpg